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Post by Kaspar Alsergrund on Oct 7, 2015 21:10:06 GMT
In previous editions the number of Status made a difference. However, in the current edition since Status is given very specific powers and Fleeting is so fluid, the number of Status is not relevant, it is what you can do with it.
To say that someone has 4 Status and someone has 3 Status and is therefore inferior I do not think is accurate. It depends on the specific situation and the specific Status Traits involved.
I may be a Neonate with 5 Status talking with an Elder with his normal 3...the Neonate CANNOT openly or effectively accuse the Elder of lying (Privileged), unless the Neonate is expending a Triumphant (having Authority or Commander being unlikely).
Thus number becomes irrelevant and situation far more important.
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Post by Inara Shepard on Oct 7, 2015 21:21:59 GMT
That's quite the specific situation you've used an example..
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Post by Carrick Driscol on Oct 7, 2015 21:33:34 GMT
True, but under "crime and punishment" it describes a little more. How you go about it and avoiding the passive benefits of status is one thing. But how much you have also comes into play.
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Post by Kaspar Alsergrund on Oct 7, 2015 21:47:57 GMT
Examples are always specific. Tough to have a general example...that would be a generality.
There are countless examples that one can come up with
I don't like that section on Crime and Punishment. It values numerical Status initially but then discounts that to talk about where the Status comes from (which seems to have more weight)
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Post by Samuel Pickens on Oct 7, 2015 21:49:08 GMT
That's one point I never really understood, I cannot see where in that section it indicates that sheer number of statuses = higher rank. To me, it at best implies that status is first a matter of rank within the Cam, then age/blood, and finally what statuses you do hold.
They should have clarified it by giving you a "status score" or something, because as of right now it comes down to gm fiat.
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Post by Inara Shepard on Oct 7, 2015 21:51:54 GMT
The way I see it, age before status. So yes, Inara has status, and plenty of it, but she is still a neonate and because of that, doesn't throw said status around like a sack of bricks lol. Even though its been suggested a few times  |
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Post by Kaspar Alsergrund on Oct 7, 2015 22:14:53 GMT
In order:
1) Position - The will of the City the will of the Prince. p. 386 2) Position - "Truth and Politics" - No Prince ever wants to see a vampire who holds high position... p. 386 3) Position - Accuse one on the fringe (Catiff...or SMITHEE) p. 387 4) Position - The Ivory Tower depends on the concept that standing and station are vital p. 387 5) Position / Number - If a Kindred holds a court office or a great deal of status p. 387 6) Number - Unless a Kindred of higher standing (I take that to mean number not office) contradicts p. 387 7) Individual Status / Position - It is sedition to the Camarilla to disregard status and station p. 387 8) Origin of Individual Status - If one of them is supported by an Elder of great importance... p. 387 9) Number - "Leveraging a System of Corruption" - The best protection a Kindred of low status has against accusations is a patron of higher status p. 387 10) Position - The word of one of the Camarilla officers typically holds more sway than that of a less-illustrious vampire p. 388
These are the quotes that I was able to pull out.
From what I gather it seems as if I was not correct.
Position / Elder / Number
Perhaps someone can read it differently and come up with a better interpretation
#8 is very telling and I think really hammers home the position of the Elder in society
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Post by Inara Shepard on Oct 7, 2015 22:18:21 GMT
Actually that whole position/elder/number thing makes a lot of sense.
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