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Post by Raphael De La Cruz on Apr 13, 2016 3:49:19 GMT
With all due respect, there hasn't been hours of communication because our game is still two months away. Also, this isn't the CAM/MET.
We literally have two months to talk each others ears off. This is just an idea we though would be fun.
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Post by Inara Shepard on Apr 13, 2016 3:51:21 GMT
1) Yes, absolutely a good point.
2) It seems to be telephoned.
3) That's just going to cause MORE problems for those of you who were wanting the game changed/reset/whatever.
4) Large plots are pivotal to a game, and can very easily be argued about, which causes a strain on BOTH games.
5) Yes you did.
6) I don't even want to THINK about how the lore would be done...
7) Yes you did.
8) That's another thing they would have to agree upon as well, just one more thing to add to the list.
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Post by Raphael De La Cruz on Apr 13, 2016 4:00:15 GMT
I promise you, it has been anything but telephoned.
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Post by Inara Shepard on Apr 13, 2016 4:02:03 GMT
When I say telephoned I just mean passed from one person to the next and so on.
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Post by Inara Shepard on Apr 13, 2016 4:06:01 GMT
Also, as a point, I REALLY hope that this is ONLY Being voted on by members of the RED DEER GAME.
You know, not people that come in once, have an account and then vote in favor of the game they will be playing in edmonton. THAT Isn't fair. This is a discussion for the RED DEER players.
I would hope nothing like that would happen, but I Would just like to point that out.
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Post by Face on Apr 13, 2016 4:10:59 GMT
What is to prevent the much larger game from subjugating the smaller game? What is to prevent raids from happening on players and their influences? How will our actions not interfere with each other? That is the crux of shared universe games. As much as you reassure that it can never happen. It will. Trust me. Players are geniuses when it comes to finding a loophole and figuring out ways to mess with other people.
I will repeat myself this should have been discussed with the Red Deer community before it just being dropped on us.
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Post by Raphael De La Cruz on Apr 13, 2016 4:15:33 GMT
And I will repeat myself, please stop assuming we're out to ruin your game. I'd like to think I was thought of better than that.
We are considering this because of storytelling potential.
If Players fuck it up, cut if off. In the meantime, keeping everything consensual ensures nothing can happen with prior consent from both ST's and the players.
All and ST has to do about a potentially game ruining thing is say nope. That's it.
I'll also repeat what Matt said on FB. Game is two months out, nothing is set in stone and this shared thing has not yet been finalized which is why its coming as a surprise.
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Post by Alix on Apr 13, 2016 4:15:55 GMT
Personally I feel that it shouldn't be shared at all. With that stated I would also like to state that if it is to be shared I request fully that all of my past characters actions deeds death or there existence be completely UNUSED. These we're all my thoughts my emotions, my role playing and I do not wish them used in a matter I do not deem fit.
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Post by frost on Apr 13, 2016 14:26:06 GMT
Ok I'm speaking up as a edmonton player before someone falls off a roof or sets themselves on fire. I'll agree completely with what inara said and this is a poll only people who play in the red deer game should be the ones who vote on this as such Matt drew and myself refuse to vote on this. I see a few concerns about us coming down and curb stomping your court. I know full well if we did that not only is it a completely a dick move that would create a huge fucking schism and real life bad blood and there would be unholy hell by our chapters story teller and he will have a crap ton of consequences fall on us As for us screwing your resources. See the previous answer for details however I'll add this but what's to stop a player in red deer using railway influence and planting a timed bomb to explode a train full of oil when it gets to Edmonton? I would like to think we are all better than doing stuff like that Honestly I would like a shared universe and the best rp I've had was in a cross chapter game that had over two hundred people. But that's my thoughts on that. Personally I'd love to see a regional conclave happen. But as said that's my personal wish The choice is yours in the end I'm not going to hold a gun to any of your heads and force you. I hope you all have a good morning think about the pros and cons and if you don't think it's for you cest la vie we go do our own things and enjoy our games.  |
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Post by Inara Shepard on Apr 13, 2016 14:59:27 GMT
I had a big long thing here.. But its not worth it .
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Post by Inara Shepard on Apr 15, 2016 3:20:11 GMT
Out of curiousness, there is a way to check who voted right? As in to make sure all is fair with no edmonton players voting? I believe that would fall under the Admin thing right?
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Post by Michael on Apr 15, 2016 4:03:53 GMT
I have played in a 3 game multi universe. I loved that I could take my character to all the different games.
Cory. No one is attacking you. They are bringing up very valid concerns.
You say there is tons of time to talk about how a multi verse would work. But from my view that is not something that is a secondary concern.
Joint universes affect entire concepts. Red Deer at current is in rough shape by Camarilla standards and we are just starting to sort and fix it in character.
Edmonton can and probably will start up with a new kindred bass and no history that says they are in good or bad standing. So characters here are right to fear Edmonton characters coming in and looking down at us.
Edmonton players fear the proliferation of armed drones.
Robert and James are right. There is a lot of extra work for a St to coordinate. Who runs characters that are NPC'S? Archon. Justicariate. Myrmidian. .. all are meant to either never show up or be full NPC's due to the power they weld. Yet we had a PC one in our game and kill more characters than any plot. And they were immune to consequences.
Something else that is needed is a common acceptance of status. How it is given and why. And a harpy that controls the random giving to falsely elevate characters. That means a solid player willing to take on the responce blitz of alberta's master harpy and the time to invest in doing so. Or two local harpies that are on the same page. The power to back it up.
You need multiple st's with similar thoughts on how rules run.
This is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to coordinating.
Two months is a lot less time then you think.
If tgey dont join at the start, That isn't to say that Edmonton shouldn't start with a common history. Let the game develop some of its own history. Have ST's keep in touch about major events so they can parallel. If that works then revisit the idea of a shared universe.
It would give both ST's a chance to learn each others styles.
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Post by Raphael De La Cruz on Apr 15, 2016 5:29:18 GMT
I feel attacked when those not involved in the work that myself and Matt have done make assumptions around us not doing said work. I feel attacked when people assume the worst will happen or that we are not capable. If something comes in the way of that fun we are more than able to stop it right there.
Ultimately we are aiming to create fun for you. We have live bands, art displays, and a ton of interesting characters to interact with. We are very excited and want nothing more than for you to be a part of that fun.
We have safeguards in place combined with Matt's 18 years of ST experience. Yes it requires a lot of work, but the ST's involved are willing to make that happen and are currently working on all the issues brought up. This is not a secondary concern, I merely meant that we have the time necessary to do the work involved. Much of which has already been done.
We're going to have a hell of a game. It is ultimately your choice if you want to be a part of that. If it doesn't work then fine, end it.
P.S The only Kindred I ever killed as Pickens was Dunwich who had turned traitor, many current players have far more blood on their hands than that.
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Post by Raphael De La Cruz on Apr 15, 2016 5:58:10 GMT
One last time, we will not control or change any aspect of your character/character history. Any interaction involves both ST's signing off as well as the players. The ST's talk and coordinate any world plots/npc's that might be shared. Status is status, it is well-explained in the book. Hell, now the Harpy becomes even more interesting if a council of Harpy can be partially populated by PC's. We are not the Camarilla organization, we are not going to be Worldwide organization with thousands of players.
We want you to be able to have more fun, and we are able and willing to do everything and anything to make that happen. If it still doesn't work we will stop. Simple as that.
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Post by Alix on Apr 15, 2016 9:11:08 GMT
Nah, that doesn't work for me at all, I worked at everything I did as a character in this game, I'm not gonna have it carried over to another just to convince you, create your own game, your own history. You can leave talos, jebodiah, Gabriel, and jayce out of that completely. Hell while I'm at it leave out gaelin ravonti out of it as well.
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